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Tates Fish and Chip Shop in Rawcliffe High Street, 2000 |
“a staple option in most fish and chip shops in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I have never seen them for sale in Sheffield or Leeds. ... A patty is round - about 3.5 inches across and about 1.5 inches thick. It is made from mashed potato seasoned with sage and onion. Then it is dipped in a batter mixture before being deep-fried.”
For me, it raised a question. A bit more about Georgina Pocklington’s family history is needed to explain. You may remember I wrote in an earlier posts that she had eight children with three different fathers, among them my grandma’s half-sister, Aunty Bina.
Aunty Bina had ten children herself, i.e. my grandma’s half-cousins. She used to recite their names:
“... there was Aunty Bina who had Blanche, Tom, Gladys, Lena, Olga, Fred, Ena, Dolly, Albert and Jack. ... They had fish and chip shops all over.”
You could say they had a fish and chip dynasty. It was founded by Aunty Bina’s husband, Tom Tate. Later, their youngest son Jack (born 1919) took it over, and my mother and other relatives helped in the shop when called upon. It still bears its name in Rawcliffe High Street, pictured in 2000. It has quite recently been renovated with a new white UPCV door and shop window, and a new sign in similar style, and has lost all its character. I don’t know whether it remains in the family. Jack Tate was known far and wide for the size of his fish. He used a Swan Vestas match box as a template.
I visited Jack around 2000, when working out that part of our family history. It was a privilege to see him. There were many he turned down. He remembered my mother helping in the shop.
Many of Tom Tate’s children set up and helped each other open fish and chip shops themselves. So as well as Jack in Rawcliffe, there was one in Goole, one in Snaith, another in Retford, and, surprisingly, the eldest four children had shops in Rotherham. They were born in the 1890s, so had retired before 1970. We audited fish and chip shops when I worked in accountancy, and you could see what good businesses they could be.
[ADDED LATER] Tom Tate’s (junior) fish and chip shop in Rotherham is mentioned in Mike Marsh’s ‘Growing up in Goole, Volume 3’, although not by name. Mike Marsh was a childhood friend of Tom’s wife’s aunt, who arranged for them to stay with the Tates in Rotherham to see Donald Bradman and the Australian cricket team play Yorkshire at Sheffield in 1948. The Tates met them at Rotherham railway station, gave them unlimited fish and chips for tea, and took them to the theatre. After returning from Sheffield to Rotherham the following day, Brian’s “ever-generous uncle” bought them a real cricket bat and ball.
The ones in the Goole area certainly sold patties, but if there were once four fish and chip shops in Rotherham, with recipes originating in Rawcliffe, could you also once buy patties there, and can you still?
I made a comment on YP's blog but thinking further from your description, my mother made something close to the the patty you describe, but I can't remember what they were called.
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of similar recipes online, many called patties. If YP is correct, it must only be in East Yorks fish shops that they are sold, but I am beginning to wonder, although I agree I have never seen then in Leeds, either.
DeleteIt's cool that you have such a personal connection to YP's post. The "Tates" in the photo doesn't even look like it's in a proper shopfront, but in someone's front lounge!
ReplyDeleteThat is how it probably started, but with all those kids I think they also had the adjoining house too.
DeleteForget questions about Gaza, digital I.D. cards and Trump's mental derangement - what we really want to know is do they/ did they sell patties in Yorkshire's answer to The Hollywood Hills - Rotherham? The services of an experienced sleuth may be required.
ReplyDeleteI have just trawled through the online menus of every fish and chip shop in Rotherham and have found no reference whatsoever to patties.
DeleteWe will need to go and ask for them.
DeleteThere was a fish and chip shop in my family, too, distant cousins, in Yeadon. I was sent there for a couple of weeks in the summer and noticed my aunt and uncle always working. I remember watching them using the chipper, insert one potato, bring down the lever, chips. And battering the fish. All hand labor. Then they served in the shop till late evening. It was a good business but they earned their $$
ReplyDeleteYes, it was hard work, but my mother likes helping there. They were great fish and chips too. Did the sell patties in Yeadon?
DeleteNo idea about patties, it's a long time ago.
Delete'He used a Swan Vestas match box as a template.'
ReplyDeleteCustomers sometimes muttered about small fish.
DeleteI get the joke now. Being unfamiliar with Swan Vesta matches, I was thinking, "my gosh! How big was that matchbox??!"
DeleteI think the patties were quite traditional in cooking. I found a recipe the other day, mashed potatoes sandwiched apple puree. Sugar and butter melted over them when they were baked. Just as heart-stopping as deep frying them. But there again you are not too far from Scotland where they deep fry Mars bars!
ReplyDeleteThat recipe sounds great. Forget the Mars Bars.
DeleteSuch family-run places often had (and still have) the best food.
ReplyDeleteThere is one exception I know personally: Just up the road from my house, there used to be an Indian restaurant. When it opened, I was so pleased, since I love Indian food and imagined myself going there all the time. However, the family who ran it were trying to save money by using inferior ingredients. Their sauces were watery and their vegetables undercooked. Worst of all was the service, though. Their teenage daughter was so obviously NOT in the mood to walk from table to table, take orders and serving them; she always pulled a face and you could tell she was only doing that job because her parents made her. Needless to say, the restaurant has long since changed hands; it is now a Thai place.
Those who run their own businesses are usually amongst the hardest workers there are. They usually realise it makes sense to give good value and service.
DeleteI've never had a patty. was it nice tasker?
ReplyDeletethough, I had a haddock today with chips. £10. :)
That's what it costs these days. Patties would cost less.
Deletenever had a patty..... we get scollops or collops which are sliced potato that is battered and deep fried...... but i've never had the mash potato ones..... someone used to tell me about mushy pea fritters in sheffield where balls of mushy peas are battered and deep fried........ and i've totally had a deep fried, battered gherkin, which was delicious!!
ReplyDeleteI've had scollops too. I'm doing to ask The Big Yellow Chippy Ban when it comes on Thursday.
DeleteWhere I grew up most chippies were run by Chinese families (many originally here for a gold rush). Of patties none. We did however have our own culturally specific cuisine (mutton birds for example) and creative takes on Chinese food that i discovered once I started travelling were uniquely adapted to kiwi tastes. It seems the Chinese immigrants everywhere were very clever at adapting their food to local ingredients.
ReplyDeleteEven the most basic Chinese foods were thought exotic when they first appeared in the 60s and 70s in Yorkshire.
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